A Point to Ponder

Are we living in a computer program?

See: The Simulation Hypothesis, Fairwind Films, Youtube

There is a popular hypothesis that we are living in a gigantic computer simulation. This depiction of reality, or not, seems to be a physically centric version of your statements regarding our reality.

Many of our scientists, technologists and others in the last few years and some before have been speculating as to whether physical reality is actually a simulated reality and that we all may be living in a computer simulation, let us say, in that there is some controlling being or beings that are producing what to us is reality whereas in effect we are merely ciphers being manipulated by others of which we know not. According to your previous analogies, with reference to the cheetah for example, then it seems to me that the so-called simulation is actually a continuous refreshment of the elements of a particular reality either by perfection of design or evolution by allowing various differences to emerge or simply experimentation. The reason for this would be that the original idea was continually being expanded upon so as to ensure continuity of experiences that are available for those that wish to participate in them. Now could you just give us your thoughts on how this reality is produced? We understand that it is imagination, we understand the artist connotation, we understand the getting together but as far as we are concerned we have to use physical terms so we use “computer and pixels”. When it comes down to a thought world we can understand that it can be pictures in the mind and you say there is no space, no time and no distance to travel so instantaneous. How can we have any idea apart from relating back to the origin of the ”Big Bang” and imagining consciousness compressed into a single point? Although this has been a rambling statement I would appreciate your clarification to help us grasp more fully the actual position.

As we stated in our last session it is impossible for you to grasp the attributes of the non-physical in terms of the physical. In relation to the analysis as expressed in the question/statement then yes you could look at the totality as being just a point, but how do you see that point? You see that as a point in space or a point surrounded by space so how could you possibly envisage a point with no space surrounding it? What would that point be? Because you couldn’t envisage a point if it didn’t have space surrounding it. Can you see that?

Yes.

This is one of the problems in trying to get these explanations over to you. The human being has grappled with this enigma ever since they set foot on the earth. Ever since they were first imagined, and we are no further forward, simply because there is nothing to stand outside of. How do you envisage that? There is, let us say, ”nothing”, but you are fully aware that out of the seeming “nothing” comes everything. You are aware that the waves/particles emerge from the “void” and disappear back into the void, yet you have no idea of what the void is. You must remember that we are but one step removed from you from where we are speaking at this present time and you must also be aware that, just as we don our goggles or diving suit, you might say, to focus upon physical reality, we also have to block out other information which does not pertain to this. If we need to go beyond that we would have to do this in a step- down procedure and that is not as easy as it may seem.

So it is very difficult for us to give you information that will enable you to get a clear picture of how this happens. Let it suffice to say that, as you outline in your statement, the idea first arose in the imagination, it was embellished upon and expanded and added to until the world as you know it formed. So the parallel runs along with the “Big Bang”. It started, it expanded, it coalesced and various evolutionary paths came into being and it resulted in the position in which you find yourself at the present time.

Now you are indeed correct in restating, as in the cheetah analogy, let us say, that the original idea is continually expanded upon because you couldn’t have a cheetah that resembled a kangaroo as you would wonder “where the hell did that come from”? “Did they cross it with a kangaroo? “There aren’t any kangaroos where the cheetahs are and vice versa” “How did that happen”? That would set off a whole line of mystery and enquiry as to the nature of reality in which you exist and as we have said before, that would rather spoil the show, wouldn’t it?  So everything is moved forward by degree. It is just like a soap opera, we keep putting in new events, new angles, new things to look at and make sure that you can understand how they have been arrived at, how they have developed. Through technical, through biological, whatever.

This has got to be simply so that you can feel that you are able to discover, to advance, to create. The creative urge from our side is expressed in each reality, in some more than others. Some are, what you might say, holiday realities, rest homes, “let’s just enjoy ourselves here and leave the creative bit behind”. In other realities the creative ability is given full rein and so then you advance at a certain rate. Each reality will have these elements where you will advance at a faster rate in some than others. In some cases you will decide that you have exhausted that line for now and move on to another one. Alternatively you may decide to change the parameters and we will have to do that in such a way that the story line is changed, much as in a soap when an actor decides to leave the show he has to be written out and a replacement theme adopted so that the continuity is preserved.

So when you talk about computer simulations, the reason the word simulation is used is because the writers are wary of saying this is a product of the imagination because although they create the virtual realities they find it difficult to acknowledge that whatever is creating the simulation has to be separate from the simulation and so they infer that it is advanced beings or aliens or something else, of course the word “being” or “alien” denotes another “pseudo human”, shall we say, even though that is not alluded to, rather than attribute it to an invisible consciousness.

Once you come out with the idea that everything is just consciousness, which has been stated by many of your most eminent scientists and philosophers, it generally hasn’t been taken any further as to how did consciousness arise. It has been put forward that consciousness is an epiphenomenon of the brain, say, then the word ”mind” comes in and yet what is “mind”? Is mind part of the brain? Some say yes, some say no. What controls the mind? So we are back to the consciousness again aren’t we? This is an area where mathematics are rather left behind. Mathematics are part of the underlying structure of physical reality but do not have any relevance in non-physical reality and if you don’t have any mathematics, and you don’t have any senses, apart from your meditative connections, shall we say, then how do you measure this thing called consciousness?

So this area is steered away from. If you can’t use maths and you can’t use your laboratory what can you use? You can only use your thoughts and if concepts emerge from thoughts they are usually treated as philosophical theories because scientific theories generally need to be underpinned by mathematics to prove the theory and with consciousness that cannot be done.

This is one area in which, as we stated before, it is going to be impossible to give you an answer. So, by all means, treat it as a computer simulation but instead of having your being, alien, programmer programming this so called computer, even though that may be a 2D pixelated universe, why not substitute that by consciousness imagining, in their mind, and we cannot expand that because you cannot understand mind.

Near death experiencers, when outside the body, what are they using? They are not using the brain, are they? They are using the mind, but they cannot express themselves until they are back in the body and therefore what does one say. How is the brain involved? It is seemingly not involved and yet it (the experience) could only be expressed by using the brain. Using the brain as an intermediary factor to operate the voice box in order to tell of the experiences.

So how does one show that the mind is separate? Now to some degree we are proving the point as we speak except for the fact that some might turn around and say that this person may be able to formulate all this in view of what he has learned over the years. Perhaps he is using his innate imagination to form these concepts and voice them in a relatively seamless manner.

We will leave it there as we simply cannot give you anything which you will be able to understand due to the restrictions of the terms available to us

Non-Locality, No Space, No Time.

Now when it comes to non-locality, this is something that is spoken of but is simply impossible to envisage. You are equipped with senses to see space, you are totally immersed in a time based world, so how can you understand a situation where everybody is surrounded by their own creation, be it co-creation or not, when we say ”own’ it encompasses all of those engaged in the particular reality in which you find yourself. The same thing applies to time, just as space expands in all directions around you so does time. Your mind expands back into the past and then forward into the future as you simply apply a system of measurement to it. So you have a measurement which you can measure in terms of your both written and perceived history and in your speculation as to the future that you can put a relative degree of understanding upon 1800 and the year zero, the year 400, the year 1100. You can place buildings there, you can place names there and when you go forward you only have a vague idea, but you can, to some degree again, speculate as to forms of transport and other forms of energy etc. some through extrapolation some through pure speculation.

But when it comes to bringing yourself down to non-locality, no  ”where” no “space”, what is it? Because even if you think that you see what is all around you and you are a point of awareness you still have to think in terms of “space’ because in order to see you must see light reflection and therefore you will measure the distance the light reflects from. Yet when you see in your mind, where is the “space” then? Do you think you see in your brain or do you think that you see in your mind? Now near death experience, out-of-body experience don’t really shed any further light on the subject as normally you are seeing other environments within you present physical reality. It is only in dreams that you find yourself in other realities and even then, have you created those from other scenarios that you have been browsing and simply transformed them into something you understand? Or, have you been out-of-body during the sleep state and just found yourself in a strange house or a strange location with people dressed in other forms? Once more, were these other people’s dreams, other people’s fantasies, mind creations? It is all very difficult.

So how do we find some form of analogy that enables you to get some glimmer of understanding with regard to “no space”?

So we came up with this idea that just as science reduces everything you see to a single origin, be it particle or wave and then suggests that everything is composed of numbers of these entities, so let us do the same thing to space. And the easiest way we can find is to say to you, imagine that your kilometre is only a millimetre, but use the same sense perceptions that you are already using and so reduce 5000 kilometres to 5000 millimetres. That immediately brings the object from 5000 kilometres away to 5 metres away, which means, you are already there, instantaneously. Now you have heard through various transmissions etc. that you just think of somewhere and you’re there, but how about you think of somewhere and it’s here? In your mind.

Just as this reality is in your mind, in your imagination, so is all the reality that you think is at a distance from you. You know of it and so you can envisage it. That enables you to imagine yourself “being there” when you think it is only 5 metres away, “Here I am standing there right in front of it”. But then, has it come to you? This applies also to the creations of others. If they are all existing in the same space as you are, all consciousnesses exist in the same space as you do, this is where your concept of the “One”, “All That Is “, “God” comes from, and yet it is made up of innumerable awarenesses. So is it the sum of the parts or is it a whole that operates through its parts? I don’t suppose you or we will know this, ever, and so we for one, have given up, as we have said before. We just rejoice in the fact that “we are” and can explore our creativity.

But you are still looking and so if you feel that everything is in the one place and you can understand that, then all the imagined realities of consciousness are in the one place also. Just as the pictures on your computer screen stack up, one behind the other, and as you click along the top headings they come to prominence, imagine that to infinity. All the pictures are there, on that flat screen, merely different configurations of the pixels.

So imagine, as we have said before, that the quantum wave background, if you wish, we will make things up here as nobody can give you any better definition, just responds to any reality and can itself, each wave in the background, respond in infinite ways. Just as the block of stone holds all potential designs then the wave background holds all potential realities, so as you focus on the one you intend to see it simply appears around you and also if another says ”Come and join me here, this is a reality I have created. I am on a balcony of a coffee bar high in the hills of Capri with a fabulous view over the Mediterranean”, and they send you the thought form. You say “why not” and you sit in the seat opposite. We can say that you project a thought form through space or you can say that the reality is in the same place as every other reality. Within your imagination you join in the co-created imaginative reality of your friend and as you are both many consciousnesses acting as one, as we have said before, then the two of you, groups of consciousness, then enjoy a nice coffee and a chat overlooking the Mediterranean. But you haven’t gone anywhere, you have simply produced the reality that you enjoy and you have got lost in your own creation, lost in your drama only this time it is not a drama of course, and you enjoy the reality of it all and why should that not be?

So, you could apply the same thing to time. You could take the year and make it 1/100 of a second. Now wouldn’t that simplify the life review? So easy to understand? What you see as a year others see as 1/100 of a second, shall we say, so your 70 years becomes 0.7 seconds and so your life flashes through and you see all the events. Of course you can understand that because if you look at all the sites on the computer which your search engines can scan in a fraction of a second then it wouldn’t be too hard for a computer to scan the major events of your life in a fraction of a second, flash them onto the screen in quick succession and if you were quick enough to comprehend each one then you would see as fast as the computer could present. You would also understand the information presented. (The feelings of yourself and the other parties etc.)

Now you can marry the two together of course. As you well know, time and space are relative and time and speed of motion are relative so if you come down to instantaneous, then no time has passed. So when your friend sends you the thought of the creation she has made in Capri, it comes instantaneously, you accept instantaneously and so time and space have simply disappeared. You are all in the one place, enjoying all your realities in no time and simply moving from one reality, one area of enjoyment, discovery, entertainment, thrill, challenge to another, whatever reality you care to join into we will say, rather than envisage, because all consciousnesses are grouping together to create the realities of their choice. You simply have to ask whether you can join in and if you are prepared to abide by the rules of that reality and you are acceptable to the majority that is within that reality then you can join in.

It is simply sometimes, many times, getting to know that these realities exist. So you go from one to the other, you learn of others, you exchange notes, you exchange ideas and because the thoughts are continually moving around, too many to mention, in the main you will only pick up associated thoughts but sometimes they are so tenuously associated that they introduce you to new areas that branch off shall we say. Whereas you were thinking along one particular line you suddenly find yourself thinking along another particular line and according realities surface into your awareness.

Have we been reasonably clear? Can you understand to some degree the notion of no time, no space, non-locality, everything simply being encompassed in one small point? Much like the Big Bang Theory of course. It all arose, sooooooooh it is speculated, from a singular little point.

We have just demonstrated that not only can the universe arise from a single point but so can all realities. Can you see the comparison?

Thank you.

(See also:-  June 3rd 2018 Science Discovers Consciousness)

The whole idea of “reality” is that it is put at “arm’s length“ in order to try to experience a separateness of self.

In some of the previous articles you have been led to touch upon the fringes of what is the manner in which you, as human beings, see the reality which you enjoy. We hope to be able to pass across further analogies in the future which will tie together some of these conceptions and misconceptions and form a, let us say, more coherent picture, more intelligible picture of the reality you enjoy and how it is created by consciousness.

We need to have in many instances the prompts of questions because it enables the mind of the instrument to go more easily into an open, more waiting mode and then we are able to pass through that information with little hindrance. Whereas if the instrument is just waiting for whatever comes in, the monkey mind, although not apparent, is moving the tuning needle in a random fashion across the frequencies, it is not staying still. When the mind focuses on the question then the needle stays still. We are able to latch on and once we start to be able to transmit then we don’t get any interference. We are able to use the clear channel thus created. Do you understand?

Yes.

This is a two-way street. It takes two to tango and we need a question, however wild, however not concerned with the subject, just to get the focus and then we can switch the subject.

In the previous session there were different voices speaking. Can you explain please?

The voices you hear are, as you would expect, produced by those who basically take centre stage. As we have said before the majority then sit back and wait for, what we have previously termed, the teachers, their thoughts, to predominate. When their thoughts predominate then a certain aspect is generally adopted in order to produce the tone of voice. Just as various aspects of personality are produced then would you not say that the voice is indicative of a certain melding of consciousness?

Yes.

So the voice changes depending on the personalities that are coming to the fore. Some are very confident in what they are saying and therefore that will come across. Once more, if you had to hold the attention of a roomful of people then would you prefer this type of voice to come across or, let us say, David’s ordinary voice which may be hesitant and repetitive, not always of course, but sometimes and maybe with some changes of direction?  Whereas those who are prepared with what they wish to say, simply because they are not in the time-based environment, can therefore put everything together, we may say, previously. There is no need to be looking for the next word except to pick it out from the instruments repertoire.

As we are speaking now you will find a certain resemblance to that which you just listened to even in terms of the halting speech and gaps between the sequences of words. This can alter as someone else decides to take over and talk on a different subject. So perhaps, if we were to talk about music and rhythm and dance and singing then we could invite others to take over and a certain difference would be heard because the emotions and the audience for the material on those subjects would not want to be spoken to in an authoritarian, lecturing type of intonation but would prefer a softer, warm, fuzzy feeling, relaxing, happy and so much more enjoyable and upbeat. There is a certain amount of excitement and empathy going with the flow of the music so the voice will change as the subjects change. If there are purely teachings coming through then you will wish them to be sharp and clear in such a way that you can transcribe them effectively and those reading the words will, whether you know it or not, pick up, connect with the certainty, the authority coming through those words. As they read the words they will connect with the feeling. They will, on another level, hear the tones that you now hear and so the consciousnesses that are part of the readers overall conscious will hear in much the same way as the instrument’s consciousnesses are now listening to the words. You will understand that all the consciousnesses that are presently listening to what is going on are generally accepting what is being said as reasonable and logical because after all it is coming from their majorities as we have said before. Each time something comes through, shall we say, or is spoken by that majority, then it becomes, what you might call, group think, group belief until the next consciousnesses join and someone says “what about this then”? This may cause a moment of reflection and “well yes, we’re willing to listen”. Discussion commences, the instrument starts to, talk to yourself, (itself) say or others ( presumably non-physical ) and different opinions are picked up once more.

Now, you might say that this can all be done on our level but the reason that we focus on the stage is because the feeling is different when you are on the stage and certain things are enacted on the stage that you cannot enact in our reality. You cannot destroy a creation, shall we say. What we are saying here is that we create something in our own reality in imagined aspect and unless we give someone permission to destroy it, and why should we, then it remains our preserve. When we come into the physical we know it is co-created and we deliberately push our instrument out there to see what will happen. Sometimes the unexpected happens which is why we are there in the first place, to experience.  (Flow of words suddenly stopped)

All is change. We change from one moment to the other and perhaps part of what we were saying was not of interest to the overall consciousness and therefore minds drifted, you might say, and there was no longer the intensity of focus on the words being spoken and as the interest waned the words no longer are spoken. Do you understand that?

Yes.

Just as your mind, as you know it, can wander in the physical then it is far easier for minds to wander in the non-physical with each idea. A plethora of ideas come by, it is so easy to get distracted. Whereas with yourselves in the physical world with your eyes open it is hard to get distracted if you are focused on a particular endeavour and your sights, sounds and senses coming to you are all from that endeavour as obviously other things get blocked out. It is not so easy to block things out in the non-physical, you have to be even more mindful as to what you are about.

I am having trouble dreaming up questions at the moment.

You do not have to write down lists of questions. You can ask, as you did with the bees, as you did with the earthquakes, with Nepal. Just ask for more information on things that are of interest to you, you can ask about global warming and what can we tell you? You feel that the seasons for example are constructed by conscious beings of which you are unaware?

I can’t follow you.

You think that it is all automatic because the earth swings on its axis round the sun but you are thinking in linear terms once more. In the world of no time there is always the present so which consciousness is thinking “I’ll move this way, I’ll move that way “? What is being experienced?

Perhaps you could explain how you can have seasons with no time.

Simply, you are in the world of time, your seasons are in the world of time but if you wish to create seasons in the world of no time you create the seasons. All seasons are available at all times, so it is simply where you wish to focus. Do you wish to focus on an autumn scene or a spring scene? Do you wish to focus with the trees bursting into bud or the leaves falling? At the present time you are in the autumn and it gives you great pleasure in seeing the different colours of the leaves. They present a very pleasant picture for you to observe but of course after going through a cold winter it gladdens your heart to see the fresh young leaves appearing on the bare branches.

Yes.

And you have a belief in all this, so what you believe in, what you expect, you create.

It would be very muddled and confusing if you said what you concentrate on you are creating because you could desire one day to be seeing the green leaves and the next day to be seeing the bare branches and the next day to be seeing the green leaves. There has to be some semblance of order surely?

Where are you speaking from? When you use the word “you”, are you speaking from within physical reality or from without physical reality?

From within physical reality.

Where is physical reality being created from?

From without. So if you say that by concentrating on something, by desiring something you are creating it.. you can’t… you must have some semblance of order, there must be some semblance of order.

So, if you put yourself in the position of your higher consciousness can you experience many selves simultaneously in different environments, in different centuries, in different times of the year?

This is something that is very difficult to get a real hold on. The answer is yes but it’s just…

So can you have several television screens, shall we say, each one showing different seasons of the year?

Of course.

If you watch one screen to the exclusion of others are the other screens still there?

That’s a little bit like the tree falling in the wood isn’t it? One imagines yes they are.

You are able to watch four screens, each one displaying the activity in different seasons of the year. You focus on one in particular because you are interested in, say, spring. Are the other screens still beaming out their information?

Yes.

You have your answer.

Everything exists at all times. You can focus on whatever you wish to focus upon. Back to your plays, you are sitting in the centre of six plays going on. Whichever one you care to focus on you can be involved in. When we say involved in, mentally involved in. You can be, caught up in, what is going on, until you switch yourself to another one. But the plays are still going on. Now imagine they are continuous plays and you will dip in and dip out as you wish. In some you will decide to stay, “this is a most interesting one”. You have to take on board the fact that you are able, and you do, you are, living many, many lives at once.

You must understand that you are connected. In much the same way that you are connected by your telephone with various people, are they still there?

Yes.

Can you talk to them at any time? Where does your interest take you? Do they know you are here? Are you connected?

Yes.

So, if you had e. g. a Skype screen for every person that you were connected with arranged around this room, you could look at this, that one or the other one. Whichever one you wished to speak to and they wished to speak back to you. Would you agree?

Yes.

Now would you say that your connection exists with all of those people?

Yes.

It just depends upon which connection you focus upon. Once more we go back to the speed of cognition and then realise that you can be focused upon as many as you wish to. All at the same time depending on the speeds of cognition relevant in those realities.

Yes.

In general, realities are constructed requiring slower speeds of cognition than those that pertain in the reality of the constructor. Do you understand?

I think so.

If we take the amount of, we have to use the word “time”, as the time necessary to speak and understand the sentence in a reality, say a physical reality, then you can measure that in seconds, say, but in another reality, in a computer reality, the mind that can work at the pace of computers, that is understood in nanoseconds. Therefore take the seconds that are required in the physical reality and many other types of realities, the nanoseconds that it takes for receiving and transmitting from the centre enables you to say that (understanding, decision making and direction) basically it is a piece of cake, you can just handle the whole lot at once, multi-tasking with ease. Able to keep up with everything because as soon as the thought arises in one reality, you answer, immediately.

Yes, fully understand.

We may arrange it so that the compressed data, we might say, then has to be decompressed in the brain or the mind. Can you understand what we are saying here?

Yes, no problem with that.

In other words if you wish to download a film from the internet it can be compressed into a few seconds and yet when you play it, it may be an hour. The same principle applies in that the speed of apprehension, cognition of what is going on and the instructions given back, the instructions can be given back in compressed form to be then expanded in that particular reality’s time scale. So it is not a great leap of imagination to understand you can be living in all these realities simultaneously.

If we can come back to your question, please repeat it.

I was asking about focus and the necessity of continuity but you have explained that quite well.

Continuity is merely in your perception, purely in your perception and we hopefully have hit upon a good analogy here in that of data compression and expansion. It is very difficult for you to understand that the consciousness works at, you may say, enormously greater speeds because you cannot understand instantaneous. Due to your limited human ability to understand, let us say it is hundreds of times the speed of light, and you would reply, I could not measure that, to me it would seem to happen at the same time and that it exactly what does happen. It is simply that there is no space for light or signals to have to travel through.

All is always connected and all is always known. The whole idea of reality is that it is put at “arm’s length “, shall we say, in order to try to experience a separateness of self.

We are obviously constrained by the lack of knowledge available in physical reality of the conditions pertaining in non-physical reality and even if the instrument was well versed in today’s science you will no doubt agree that all the methods of explanation derive from physical reality.

Yes.

Terms simply do not exist for what happens in non-physical reality even if non-physical reality is contemplated in the first place.

That’s right.

So we are back to “dark matter”, “dark energy” and who knows what? We try as hard as we can to find analogies for you to understand the “ever present”. If you sit down and purely follow the logic that consciousness is all there is, consciousness lights up in various formats in such a way that other consciousness, shall we say, is able to see what another consciousness is producing. Do you understand this?

I can picture it in my mind.

Put it this way. As you look out from your eyes, can you see your face?

No.

Would you agree that you are producing your face?

Yes.

Your consciousness is producing its idea of what it wishes to project but it cannot see its own face, you have to have a mirror. If the mirror wasn’t there somebody else would tell you, but that is another consciousness projecting itself, so you would see each other and inform each other?

Yes.

Now, imagine all of consciousness doing just that, not just humans, everything is representing itself and then because you adopt the senses of recognition applicable to the physical reality you can enjoy the manifestations of all the participating consciousnesses. Yet all this is, is a conglomeration of (individual) gestalts, groups of consciousness, (producing) a conglomeration of images. Yes?

Yes.

So although we have referred to imagination before, it is each imagining his own projection, her own projection, its own projection and understanding and enjoying its part in the reality. Knowing that it is being seen by others and it is seeing. See and be seen. Yet, you can think to yourself that these are only thought pictures being broadcast and you are merely tuning in to the broadcast, but those broadcasts are fitted in, in that the tree, broadcasting, is in concert with the lake that it is sitting next to and with the mountain that is in the background and with the consciousnesses of the people sitting underneath the tree. So you get what is a composite broadcast, co-created and co-agreed.

This is not too difficult to understand once you try. As we have said before it is a question of designing and creating the set (the set in a play or film). This is what is happening but all that is actually there is the thought. Can you grasp this?

Yes, I can envisage many tuning into and adding to a reality like joining in a virtual reality game.

All is connected and you are enjoying the thought realities but you shut out the fact that it is a thought reality and adopt the belief that this is solid reality ( although we all know that nothing is “solid” we accept the concept because it is necessary for our functioning) because it is more enjoyable, it is different. As you aware by now there are many, many realities that you can enjoy. You just choose those which you find suit you more than others.

So it wouldn’t matter if physical reality no longer existed?

Physical reality is..

Just one of many.

Just one of as many as you care to contemplate. You cannot understand other realities, you can get some idea but..

The trouble is you think of them in physical terms. It is impossible not to think of them in physical terms. You might think of them in different colours or things of that nature but you still think of them in physical terms?

Put yourself in the position of someone who is blind and lives in a world of just sound and has no touch, say. All he has is a world of sound. So shut your eyes and imagine the blindness. Imagine those sounds being just sounds in your head, thoughts; thoughts being translated into the only language you know, the language you speak in or the language of pictures, but you would have previously needed to have seen to understand what they were. So you must take yourself to another level and imagine that if you were able to receive thoughts, in pixel form say, you could look at the blank screen in your mind and then a picture starts to appear. So although you think “I am blind” this picture starts to appear and you realise that this is something that exists in the thoughts of others and they are working together to present this, “now what can I add to it”?

So just as the artist looks at the painting, you in your thoughts see the picture and you decide to create or paint or light up a little corner of the picture, provided that those already in the game agree. You then enter your contribution to the picture that is going around and the picture has a certain permanence to it, but just as you are aware of what happens to everything, it is constantly changed by those who join and those who leave. So you have a moving picture, a changing picture. (Which we interpret as reality)

Once you sit and start to think these things through you will also realise that you can’t just change the picture without the consent of all and if you are a small player in a big picture you are not going to change much, are you? As above so below you might say, but you will find your own niche. It may not be fully to your liking but you will find it or you will turn your focus away and find another niche which is more to your liking.

(The last two paragraphs are reminiscent of the saying “We are all threads in God’s tapestry.”)

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P.S. Just before posting the above I came across an article about an artist, Pat Hines, using Microsoft Paint creating “realities” just using a mouse. His imagination became intention, focused, he pointed and lit up and the picture formed. Also https://qz.com/983188/this-stunning-graphic-novel-was-entirely-illustrated-using-microsoft-paint/.

Imagine many “artists” (gestalts) combining to create the picture, “the reality”. Now see the parallel, these people are co-creating realities using their imagination.
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(i) Why are all snowflakes different?

Why are all snowflakes different?

Snowflakes, you might say, are their own personality as projected into the physical but, as an artist decides on a picture that is to be projected, then, because of the nature of the physical pattern, the molecule of water and its crystalline existence, wherever you care to focus i.e. either in the liquid or the solid form as regards the ice, the liquid form is a fluid crystalline structure and the solid form is still showing itself in a crystalline fashion, there are certain lines, rules to be followed in the process of moving from liquid to solid. Just as all manifestation is predicated on a cumulative growth, shall we say, in that certain things will grow in a hexagonal form, others will grow in an octagonal form etc. because (of) an initial design, then what is expected to be the final outcome will then have to be taken back to its origination to determine the most suitable process by which to achieve the end result.

Now, from the molecule of water in its free state, i.e. as part of vapour, then the receptors on the molecules have to be designed in such a way that they interlock, which is why they are called receptors, with other molecules to merge together to form the fluid which then can, you might say, move around. As the temperature cools down, the density of the molecules, in terms of coming together in a slower moving union, to you appears to be a rigid and solid structure. It just means that the fluidity as such is no longer apparent. Much as when you see a pane of glass, that appears to be absolutely solid, when it is leant against a wall, within a certain period of time, long or short depending on its construction, it will start to bend. You will then understand its inherent fluidity as opposed to its seeming rigidity.

We have covered many aspects here in a long-winded fashion but if you wish, look upon it as being a pattern formation which then attracts the molecules of water. Your scientists may look upon this as being a mechanical operation but you must remember that each molecule of water has its own consciousness and its own limited amount of free will and desire to join in the construction of the snowflake and so you can either say that the idea of the snowflake was there and the consciousnesses joined in because it seemed like a good idea at the time or you can take the crystalline growth structure.  Even so you would have to postulate that the existing pattern existed or that, much as in the branching of a tree, only certain possible avenues of movement were possible. Yet when you consider that each snowflake is different from the other it would be interesting to hear what your scientists have attributed to that particular aspect of a snowflake.

So would you say that there is a catalyst for each snowflake?

If you work on the basis that there is a cooling element present, then translate that into, let us say, the potential for an idea, for an experience, to become a reality. In other words that those water molecules, the consciousness of those molecules, upon feeling, let us say, or becoming aware of the drop in temperature, the opportunity arises to experience being a snowflake. So you could call this the catalyst, the temperature drop. It is the sudden realisation that this is a possibility, “let’s try this”. Like all experiences, it can be a fleeting experience in that as the snowflake falls towards the warmer air then the molecules once more move back into the droplet or vapour stage in which case you can compare this to having a ski run. You experience a run down the ski slope, a molecule experiences a transition into a pattern of ice and then finds itself once more back at the bottom of the slope, shall we say, in the water.

Now, would you like to give the description of the catalyst that has been propounded?

I have read that a snowflake forms around a minute speck of dust.

And what encouraged……..

That’s what I don’t know.

We have just described to you something that you can understand in that particular personalities, (remember) consciousness is inherent in each gestalt that is forming in the molecule of water, and then the greater idea which requires, let us say, millions of molecules of water to form a particular pattern and as you know if we conglomerate all these minds together then it is very difficult for any particular conglomeration to be like another because it would require that all be of the same mind.

Do you understand?

Two distinct conglomerates, two distinct gestalts. Each one comprising the same number of, let us say, million minds, when all are interacting all over the place. The mathematical probabilities are enormous, it will never happen.

Do you understand this?

Yes.

Which is why each manifestation is different. Whatever you look at you will see that nothing is the same (nothing is identical). So when you say that it forms around a minute speck of dust would you not think that as all atmospheric air contains minute specks of dust and the fact that a snowflake can only form under certain temperature conditions that in the formation it is inevitable that it will encapsulate certain specks of dust. One could say that “what was the cause and what was the effect”? Is the cart before the horse? But, did they address why is the pattern different (in every case)?

No.

Would you not think that that is a very important part?

The subject was not discussed in any depth.

Have you ever read of anyone postulating a reason why each snowflake is different?

No.

No, because if you go down that pathway you will have to acknowledge in the end that there is a designer behind the design of the snowflake. Yes?

Yes.

And as you are aware, that is a subject that is generally not addressed.

(ii) Descartes, Darwin and the Big Bang Theory. All peering through a glass darkly.

“There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together.  We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind”                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Max Planck 1944

“Consciousness is the fundamental thing in existence. It is the energy, the motion, the movement of consciousness and all that is in it. The microcosm and the macrocosm are nothing but consciousness arranging itself.”                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Sri Aurobindo

That is another thing that I wanted to talk about. The blueprint. We talk about blueprints but when you think about, not only humans, but animals, they are born and they are born small. As they grow certain things have to happen to the body, not just get larger, changes have to happen. I find that says to me, there is some form of design. For example, teeth fall out and larger teeth replace them. It is so complicated that there has to be some form of design in some fashion, not a single designer but something that plans and decides.

We have covered this many times before. Of course there is a blueprint, of course there is a pattern, of course there is a plan. Now, if you just start from being a single point of awareness and then the thought comes through about a cheetah. What is this? A cheetah? And as you latch onto the thought other thoughts and all the associations rush to it, you might say, or you become aware of them (like a Google search). You are aware of a cheetah and then because you are interested you find that you are aware of, to a certain degree, that many others are also aware of a cheetah and are interested in what it is. We then move on to where the association and the thought comes through “I wonder what a cheetah is like?” You can take it from there, as the thoughts continue on, trying to imagine what it is like. As the intensity grows all the associated imagery comes in. All the pattern of the cheetah, from the moment of, what you might say, cheetah egg meets cheetah sperm, every alteration, every cellular division can be apparent.  Of course because we have spoken many times before about instantaneous, and your only way of looking at it is to relate it to supercomputer speeds, then you can scan through the plans, you might say, the patterns, of all prior cheetahs and see at each stage, each moment, each cellular change what the patterns are. (An accessible repository of prior knowledge akin to morphic resonance – see Rupert Sheldrake.)

Now, this is on such a vast scale, far beyond the capability of the human mind, the human brain to comprehend but if you take, let us say, you break the cheetah plan, blueprint, memory, whichever way you want to look at it, the film, the video recording, break this down into all its various aspects and, let us say, you have got a trillion cells organised into say X number of organs, muscles, veins, blood, cells etc. which brings it all down to a much more comprehensible arrangement. Then you need to have volunteers to organise and maintain, and hold their imagination, because you must remember that in the end this is imagination. Hold their imagination in the particular area in which they have agreed to operate in order that you can experience the actual physical cheetah between all of you. Now, if you follow the logic on that, it is just a vastly infinite exercise but to those who are at the, let us say, atomic level, the particle level and they are working together, it is no different, except in terms of scale, between you organising a vast factory of 20,000 people. It all works seamlessly, raw material goes in one end and the finished object comes out the other. There’s not much difference is there?  Like putting food in the mouth and producing blood cells in the body, it is a process, a manufacturing process. You simply have to scale this up to realise that it can be done, it is just a question of organisation.

If you take the fact of instantaneous communication then it is no big deal, is it, to scale those numbers up by a factor of 10, 100, whatever?  It is simply that you are only used to operating within a certain time scale. Where time is no problem and it can all just “happen’ if you wish it to happen, then it is not magic it is just simply that everybody knows what to do instantaneously.

Take a shoal of sardines and instead of imagining 10,000 sardines imagine 10 trillion sardines, they all still move at once, because they are all aware at the same time.

The patterns for everything, as we have stated so many times, are in the block of stone. Even before the first cheetah the possibility was there. Someone had to think of it and even design it but the potential for it already existed although that doesn’t mean to say that it has been actuated. This can carry on forever because the potential is always there. So once somebody wanted to think of, imagine, a cheetah, then it was possible because all things are possible, all objects, all events.

Who is the thinker?

Each awareness is the thinker. We come back to this area in which there is still contentious opinion in that this is chicken and egg, isn’t it? Where did the first thought come from? Then you will say “where did consciousness appear from”? You cannot possibly answer that because you are then back in the same position and this will always be. You are only aware of what you are aware of so you cannot be aware of where you came from. (All exists in a timeless present. You are who you are, when you are, wherever you are – wherever you focus.)

Thank you.

We cannot expect to get the answers to everything simply because in order to preserve these elements of excitement and uncertainty certain knowledge has to be withheld otherwise the reason for being, as far as physical is concerned, would disappear. Wouldn’t you think that this is applicable to all realities that are going to be experienced otherwise there would be no point in experiencing that reality? Yes?

Yes.

Wherever you focus you will be aware of the parameters that exist for experiencing that particular reality and so you can get together with others and put together parameters for another reality and another reality. But how do you stand back and say to yourself “what reality am I in “?  Because you can only be aware of the reality you are focusing into. No matter how hard you try, at no point can you be yourself and another self, a greater self, because this becomes a series of Russian dolls. As soon as you try to step outside yourself then as soon as you realise you have stepped outside yourself you say “then what is outside me (this self?) So you want to go into that one. So how far can you go? Infinity once more. Whenever you try to see yourself from a different position it carries on ad infinitum.

But that is merely a theory, a logical theory.

We all have to rest within a certain understanding that, as was said, “I think, therefore I am”. Then you may say  ”well, I am aware, therefore I am and if I am aware that I am then I must be thinking”. You then have to become aware of “are there any others like me”? And what have you just produced? You have just produced a string of thoughts. Each awareness is producing a string of thoughts and so they quickly come together. Do you understand?

Because the thoughts attract the awarenesses or rather the focus of each awareness on that thought becomes what you may call, a talking shop, and if you take the gestalt back, in terms of a big bang say, you can take the idea with its trillion focuses and move it backwards to the original awareness that said “this looks interesting”. Simply the thought that “this looks interesting” attracted others. Like ants to the Ant-Rid. Like bees to the honey and suddenly there is a swarm around and the swarm feels the intensity and realises the potential that intensity gives it to create. The excitement builds and the manifestation happens. Suddenly,  ”we are doing it, we are doing it” and the desire arises to explore, explore the reality that has been created, has manifested. “how do we do it?”

Well, it’s all available, isn’t it? All the videos, all the patterns, all the blueprints. This is next, that’s next, that’s next. It is simple then, you just follow the numbers. You focus on the next pattern, produce it, the next pattern, produce it and so on. And so you get growth but as you do it your ideas change and because you have all the different consciousnesses involved in it from previous cheetah then slight alterations are made so cheetah number 2, 3, 350, 3050 are all slightly different from the last ones. Because they are composed of different viewpoints and all the while you are following the same pattern, because after all you did intend to experience being a cheetah, you might be a slightly different cheetah. “Can this cheetah run faster, can this cheetah jump higher”?

If you think about this in human terms and the consciousnesses involved then which abilities do different humans tend to focus on more than others? You can soon see that one set of minds focuses on being able to jump higher “yes that’s a good idea, I would love to experience that” and so you have a high jumper, a high jump athlete. Another one says ”I want to live in the lap of luxury and be looked up to by everybody around me” and so you get a very successful businessman. Another one wants to sing and have vast audiences. Now, all these ideas attract various minds. Others want to be part of a wonderful picture that everyone comes up and admires. And so are we coming back to your snowflake and the wonderful picture of each snowflake which is an expression of artistry?

It is all consciousness in motion and until this is recognised you will get these trite explanations of how such wondrous creations are brought about.

You must learn to ask the questions immediately something is put up as a simple explanation, “What about? How? You will see how very few are willing to go beyond their simple explanation, because those that do inevitably come back to the fact that there must be intelligent design behind this. Yes?

Yes.

So this is all pretty ho-hum in the end because you realise that everything is an expression of a conglomeration of individuality. It is majority opinion, majority design and you just go along for the ride basically whenever you lend your arm to the wheel. You add your little bit of energy to the manifestation and you experience what is produced and you say to yourself “well that was enjoyable or now I understand what it means “ and then you move on and on and on because you have no option but to do that. As much as you try to still yourself to not focus on any idea how can you still your awareness and not find something of interest? It is difficult for you to say nothing is of interest as you always have certain beliefs. You cannot rid yourself of beliefs, it is impossible to rid yourself of beliefs once acquired and therefore beliefs will elicit reactions to ideas, emotional reactions or interest, same sort of thing. You cannot not be aware, so although you can try as hard as you possibly can to ignore, at some stage you will react. Some idea will come by; when we say ”idea” of course, we mean events, thoughts. It’s all the same thing, happenings, OK. Something will attract your attention because this whole sea of action is surrounding you all the time. You can only shut yourself down to a certain degree and then you have to keep a very strong focus on ignoring everything that is happening but just like any time you try to keep your attention focused for an inordinate amount of, we can only say, “time” then at some stage it will slip and you will react. From that moment the spell is broken once more and you find yourself in the maelstrom whether you like it or not and unless you are extremely obsessed with being non-involved then sometimes you can extract yourself from the focus but as soon as you are focusing of course there are many others with you and even though you may extract yourself then you simply find yourself with those of like mind. Once you have the knowledge even though you focus somewhere else the knowledge is within you because of the interconnection and you cannot break the interconnection, it is part of who you are and every awareness is. Every awareness. Can you imagine a neuron in the brain being able to break all its connections with the other neurons?

No.

It would cease to exist, but as a point of awareness you cannot cease to exist and so you cannot not be connected. You can simply endeavour to be very unsociable.

Therefore the message is back to what we said in the first page of your website “Life is a bowl of cherries”. You are here to experience, you are focusing here to have a look and see what is worth doing, what attracts you and then picking that experience that you wish to go through, do it and then pick another one and another one and another one until some entirely new bowl of cherries attracts your attention.

(i) You need never be apart from those you love.

We have sometimes alluded to the fact that you are never alone, you are never apart, you are always in contact, you cannot be separated and perhaps it is only right that we try to give you some analogies as to how this is possible.

Now you must start from the fact that you are first and foremost what you would term “spiritual beings”. You are, in the hackneyed phrase, spiritual beings enjoying a physical experience, which is 100% right of course. Now, coming back to our normal definition of consciousness, you are “conscious beings”; you are conscious entities who have decided to embark upon a range of experiences in a co-created environment that you term physical reality.

As we have explained so many times before and you probably understand by now, you are currently focusing (into) many realities simultaneously, what you would term living several lives at once. Now try to think what that means, that you and all consciousnesses, and let us just stick to the human species at the moment, are all focusing different places and living out a series of experiences in what is to you a separate reality in each focus. So, then you think to yourself, where is the centre piece of this consciousness that is sitting there looking around and focusing here, there and everywhere. Of course it is very difficult for us to put over the point to you that your unit of consciousness, or what you seem to be, only becomes reality to you when it is enjoined with many other units of consciousness through what you would term, to make it easier to understand, a form of neural network. So, if you can imagine, the energy of many coming together enables you to experience the joint perceptions of that particular gestalt of consciousness focused in that particular reality along with many other gestalts.

Now of course all these gestalts are interlinked. As you are. Your unit of consciousness is linked with many others which is linked with others, others, others, others, which is why all knowledge is available to all, because everything is totally interlinked. Now if you take this a little bit further and, as we have said, you have to start from the fact that you are conscious beings, spiritual beings if you wish, then the physical being is merely a construct of, what we termed before, imagination. It is a construct, it is a construct for your perception to perceive and for your perception also in sensory terms as in touch, taste, hearing etc. While this is going on, you’re focusing here, there and elsewhere, you are talking to each other all the time.

Let us give you some simple analogies to illustrate this fact. One that you may want to take a tour through the thought process with is the rather recent innovation of performing surgical operations at a distance using video technology and robotic instruments. We will not try to be too technical with this as because you only need to grasp the idea. So, the surgeon is sitting in a hospital in town A whereas the patient is in a hospital in town B, say 1000 kilometres distant. The appropriate equipment is set up and the surgeon can put on his visor, let’s put it this way, insert his hands into the equipment and then he is able to see and become part of, shall we say, the reality in that other hospital. All connections are made and the full operating support staff are participating as they would be should the surgeon be physically present. The surgeon proceeds using a robotic instrument which he can control and manipulate in such a way that it faithfully mimics his own actions.  At the same time he can focus around and communicate within that operating room almost as if he were physically present.

What have we got here? We have a disembodied being, i.e. the surgeon is 1000 kilometres away, operating a robot, an instrument, a vehicle, to keep our terminology constant in relation to the previous teachings we have put through and so you may look upon him as the spirit being. This is pretty much the same process that is going on with your own physical body and the spirit being. Now what is the surgeon doing? He is focusing in the other location, isn’t he? Which is exactly what is happening to you of course.  Now the surgeon, although looking through his visor and being focused upon the reality of the remote operating room, is not alone. He will have, depending on the difficulty of the operation, a backup team around him as well. Additionally there may be many other observers, medical students, teachers and other interested parties.  What does this mean? So this “spiritual being” has other spiritual beings around him, doesn’t he?  Yes?

Yes.

And yet he is in contact with all those in the remote operating room. So take the one where the patient is as the physical operation and the one where the surgeon is as the spiritual operation. He is in contact with both. He is in full contact with the personnel in the room where the operation is being performed and he is also in contact with all the, what you might term “spiritual beings”, around him. He is in both places at once, he is on the stage and he is in the back of the theatre. Now he can get lost in the detail as well. He can get so immersed in the operation that he may block out, ignore, be unable to hear, the whispers of his back up team as he is concentrating on the observations of his staff surrounding the patient. You can probably understand that. Yet if he allows himself to take a minute off to contemplate his next move and enters the silence, shall we say, then he will hear the whispers of his team back at base. What you might also term as intuition in another context. The team may take the opportunity to get his attention and proffer their advice. Run the scenario for yourself and you will get the idea.

Let us now try a simpler analogy. One that may give you a more basic understanding.

You go to a party. There are many hundreds of people at this large party. It is spread over a large area in a vast house. You wander from room to room observing what is going on and suddenly you happen upon, say, a poker game and you decide to join in. Another person finds that the Cup Final is being shown in another room and he decides to join that particular group. There is a fashion show going on somewhere else….. just run the thing yourself.

Various locations, various realities. (All arising from various focuses)

All these consciousnesses are involved in all these various things and depending on how much they are interested in what is going on then will they be aware of the other activities, the other realities? In most cases, not. The poker game may go on for hours, the Cup Final also. Other activities might do the same. Now take this in terms of your time and extend it to lifetime lengths and you will find that some people will spend their whole time focusing upon one particular activity, others will move from one activity to another. And yet they are all in the same place, aren’t they? And they all have the opportunity to step back from their focus and walk in to where others are watching the Cup Final and say “How is it going?” “Great, thank you” and they walk over to where their wife is watching the fashion show “are you OK honey?” “yes” “well I’m playing poker so we’ll catch up later” .

You are all in the same place, together, but you are all focusing upon the particular scene, activity that is holding your interest but you are aware that you can contact those you wish to contact at any time. Now let us say that there is a break, a rest time, for tea maybe. So what happens? You all wander back into the refreshment hall don’t you? And what happens to your focus? Your focus is temporarily laid aside e.g. the instrument is put to sleep, if you can understand the analogy here. And then you all talk to each other about what you are doing and agree to meet up when you are finished with your current focus.

Can you see this in terms of your daily sleep ritual and in terms of your life. There is no time, just a question of focus and of multiple simultaneous focuses.

Run this scenario in your own mind and you will see that you can both be together, or not, at any time you wish to.

You will find it difficult because you are focused, or so you think, purely in this reality, but, in effect, the part of your consciousness that is at the back of the theatre is able to pop in and out of the various realities and keep in touch with all the other gestalts. So in fact what you consider to be people who have been here and are now dead, which you now realise are not dead, you have never been apart from in the first place. You have always been able to talk to each other but you will not realise this until you get back and relinquish the belief that this is the only reality that you can inhabit at any one time. That is no different from trying to play poker while you are totally engrossed in the football game. You cannot give the attention required to both so you decide to focus on one and shut out the other. On another level you simply separate your focuses.

So you can understand, that although you find it hard to believe, you can never lose anybody, it is impossible to be disconnected. You can only choose to focus somewhere else and each time you wish to focus back you are together again. Which is why you can be, what you might call, “all things to all people” and you can have many, many love relationships. They all work and nobody gets possessive because it is the same for everybody, you cannot lose.

You need never be apart from those you love. You can always be together whenever you wish to be together. All consciousness is forever connected.

At the same time you are not tied to anybody. In the same way as you cannot lose anybody you have full freedom of choice as to whether you wish to answer the call, respond to the thought.  There is no way anyone can enter your awareness unless you open the door. In this reality you block out information from other realities so the same process applies. In general when these things happen, if you look upon what happens here, in many cases when people divorce some say they never want to see the other party again. Others stay good friends.

(ii) Realities arise from focusing on the web of thought

Let us try to explain to you how you are eternally interconnected and yet you can be experiencing many different realities simultaneously. So, let us picture a large web, any web you like, as you can see there are  pathways through the web and everything is interconnected so you can imagine neural networks, a spider’s web, whichever you like, but whatever happens in one area is felt or can be connected through to any other part. So, you have got a knowledge web, whatever you wish.

Now, for purposes of analogy let us locate you in point A of the web. If you look to the North, shall we say, you can see radiating around you, away from you, within that field of perception, all the connections and therefore all the realities arising from those particular connections. You might say arising from the thought of that gestalt if you wish, and if you focus in intently then that is the reality, the instrument etc. ( the body, the environment that you consider yourself to be a part of, your sense of “I” and your sense of the reality in which that “I” dwells).

Now of course if you then look West you have a different set of connections and accordingly a different reality, a different experience, and so on to South and to East and then you can graduate if you wish to SE, SSE, NE ,NW, however many realities you wish to be connected to.

Now, if there is a large scale emotion felt in one particular focus, one particular direction, one particular reality, let us call it a movement in the web, then a slight indication, a slight tremor, might be felt in another area of the web. You could put this down to a sudden feeling coming over you of happiness, sadness, whatever you wish. That could be what you might term a bleed-through from an alternate reality, another simultaneous life, another simultaneous “I”, one of the many “I”s that you are experiencing at any time. It is not too difficult to actually picture this in your own mind and watch what happens. Look at the web, look at your focus, see yourself as that one unit of consciousness in there connected with everything else (to all the other units of consciousness) and then see, as you look in one direction, all the interconnections light up, see them turn into colour, into a scene, you being part of that scene, see your body there and then see yourself believing that you are the body in that scene. Let’s call that North, now switch to East and see a different set of lights light up, it may look the same but you are actually focusing using (adhering to) different rules of the game, different parameters and a different scene appears and a different ”I”. (the particular gestalt you are now focusing into (East) will be creating a reality of its own which may differ somewhat from what we know as the conditions pertaining in North).

Are you following me?

Yes.

And does it sound relatively simple?

Yes, thank you.

But of course you are there all the time, this connects to our previous expose that at any time you can switch focus and be in whichever reality you like with whoever you like ( one assumes the feeling must be mutual) . None of them ever disappear but you have the choice of focusing wherever you wish to focus and so do they. You must remember that your speed of cognition is basically instantaneous and so you are living all these lives, experiences, realities simultaneously.

This post is a talk I gave to the Theosophical Society in 2014

    Seth, Consciousness and the Co-Creation of Reality

How your “SELF” is formed.

The Seth Quotes which can be accessed from the link below were shown before the talk started.

Seth Quotes from Seth Material talk to Theosophical April 2014NB

The talk then continued using Power Point pictures to illustrate things as the talk proceeded, most of the power points are included in the text as you will see.

List of Seth Books (Displayed as Power Point 2)

•  The Seth Material 1970
• Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul 1972
• The Nature of Personal Reality: A Seth Book 1974
• The “Unknown” Reality: A Seth Book in two volumes 1977-1979
• The Nature of the Psyche: Its Human Expression. A Seth Book 1979
• The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events. A Seth Book 1981
• Dreams, “Evolution” and Value Fulfillment. A Seth Book in two volumes 1986
• Seth, Dreams, and Projection of Consciousness 1986
• The Magical Approach: Seth Speaks About the Art of Creative Living 1995

The Seth books are a series of books scientifically describing aspects of the formation of physical reality and personality. Virtually all human avenues of thought are discussed and explained in a vast and wide ranging display of superior knowledge and understanding.

They were channelled by Jane Roberts, a writer and poet, who involuntarily became a trance medium after she and her husband, Robert Butts, used a Ouija board and got more than they expected. They were received from the mid sixties until the late seventies.  Jane Roberts tragically died in 1984 at the age of 54.

(Jane’s picture was Power Point 3)

Now at this point I feel it is only correct to allow Seth to introduce himself as he does in Chapter 1 of “Seth Speaks”

To add a touch of theatre Jean will play the part of Jane.

(I am afraid the voice you are going to hear will be mine but it will give you some idea of what it is like to listen to a trance medium.)

(Power Point 4)

Seth Speaks.

The Eternal Validity of the Soul

By Jane Roberts

“I am an energy personality essence,

no longer focused in physical matter.”

Seth:- Now… You have heard of ghost hunters, I can be quite literally be called a ghost writer, though I do not approve of the term  ”ghost”. It is true that I am usually not seen in physical terms. I do not like the word “Spirit”, either; and yet if your definition of that word implies the idea of a personality without a physical body, then I would have to agree that the description fits me.

I address an unseen audience. However, I know that my readers exist, and therefore I shall ask each of them, now, to grant me the same privilege. My name is Seth. Names are simply designations, symbols; and yet since you must use them I shall also.

My readers may suppose that they are physical creatures, bound within physical bodies, imprisoned within bone, flesh, and skin. If you believe that your existence is dependent upon this corporeal image, then you feel in danger of extinction, for no physical form lasts, and no body, however beautiful in youth, retains the same vigour and enchantment in old age. If you identify with your own youth, or beauty, or intellect, or accomplishments, then there is the constant gnawing knowledge that these attributes can and will vanish.

I am writing this book to assure you this is not the case. Basically you are no more of a physical being than I am, and I have donned and discarded more bodies than I care to tell. Personalities who do not exist do not write books. I am quite independent of a physical image and so are you.

Consciousness creates form. It is not the other way around. All personalities are not physical. It is only because you are so busily concerned with daily matters that you do not realise that there is a portion of you who knows that its own powers are far superior to those shown by the ordinary self.

You would be much better off in reading this book if you asked yourself who you are, rather than asked who I am, for you cannot understand what I am unless you understand the nature of personality and the characteristics of consciousness.

If you believe firmly that your consciousness in locked up somewhere inside your skull and is powerless to escape it , if you feel that your consciousness ends at the boundary of your body, then you sell yourself short, and you will think that I am a delusion. I am no more a delusion than you are, and that may be a loaded sentence.

I can say this to each of my readers honestly (smile): I am older than you are, at least in terms of age as you think of it.

If a writer can qualify as any kind of authority on the basis of age, therefore, then I should get a medal.

I am an energy personality essence, no longer focused in physical matter. As such, I am aware of some truths than many of you seem to have forgotten.

I hope to remind you of these. I do not speak so much to the part of you that you think of as yourself as to that part of you that you do not know, that you have to some extent denied and to some extent forgotten. That part of you reads this book, [even] as “you” read it.

And I (David) can add “That part of you is listening to this talk ‘even’ as you are listening.

Seth’s Main Themes (Power Point 5)

• Consciousness is “All that is”
• “Gestalts” of Consciousness form patterns which are projected into physical reality.
• “Personality” is a product of a conglomerate of many minds, which is forever changing.
• Each mind is capable of living many lives simultaneously in multiple dimensions/realities.
• The nature of mass consciousness and mass events.

Now to study and even begin to understand the “Seth” material takes many years and personally I think it would be a great subject for a PhD.

As the years have passed since the publication of the “Seth” books it is hard to imagine that later scientific theories such as David Bohm’s Implicate/Explicate Order and others were not influenced by a  knowledge of Seth’s portrayal of reality.

(Power Point 6)

“To my great surprise – and slight annoyance- I found that Seth eloquently and lucidly articulated a view of reality that I had arrived at only after great effort and an extensive study of both paranormal phenomena  and quantum physics……..”

– Michael Talbot

-author of The Holographic Universe and                                                                                                            – Beyond the Quantum

So let us get right into the basic thrust of Seth’s view of how reality is formed. We cannot even begin to scratch the surface in one hour and I want to leave as much time as possible for questions.

(Power Point 7)

• C.U.’s Units of Consciousness
• E.E. Units Electro Magnetic Energy Units
• Gestalt Consciousness a term encompassing the above.

All gestalt consciousnesses co-operate and conglomerate to form the individual components of the living world.

Seth states that consciousness is the basis of “All that is”. He describes( within the limits of our ability to comprehend) “CU’s” – Consciousness Units – which form EE Units – Electro Magnetic energy units- which combine into myriad patterns to produce reality as we know it. Seth’s recurring theme is that everything is a gestalt consciousness, a conglomerate of multiple units of consciousness which operate simultaneously in multiple dimensions. Think of Walt Disney coining the word “Imagineering” i.e. turning an idea into reality. Now, by virtue of 3D printing we can turn an idea into a solid object in minutes. You have an idea of an object, you design that object using a computer. Where it exists in a kind of three dimensional electro-magnetic reality.  A Hologram!

You slice that Hologram very thinly, connect the computer to your 3D printer, load the printer with the material of your choice, metal, plastic or even living cells, and the printer then constructs your object layer by layer.

JUST HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO IMAGINE MIND MANIPULATING ATOMS, MOLECULES, ENERGY IN A SIMILAR WAY.

(Power Point 8)

• Consciousness is a way of perceiving the various dimensions of reality.
• “You” form your physical body.
• The “inner you” directs your activities
• The “self” that you know is but one fragment of your entire identity.
• Your “identity” is a gestalt consciousness able to experience multiple lives in multi dimensions simultaneously.

As Seth states on page 8 of the Seth Material.

Consciousness is a way of perceiving the various dimensions of reality. Consciousness, as you know it is highly specialised. The physical senses allow you to perceive the three dimensional world, and yet by their very nature they can inhibit the perception of equally valid dimensions. You would not think of identifying with one portion of your body and ignoring all other parts, and yet you are doing the same thing when you imagine that the egotistical self carries the burden of your identity.

I am telling you that you are not a cosmic bag of bones and flesh, thrown together through some mixture of chemicals and elements. I am telling you that your consciousness is not some fiery product, formed merely accidentally through the inter workings of chemical components.

You are not a forsaken offshoot of physical matter, nor is your consciousness meant to vanish like a puff of smoke. Instead you form the physical body that you know at a deeply unconscious level with great discrimination, miraculous clarity, and intimate unconscious knowledge of each minute cell that composes it. This is not meant symbolically.

Now because your conscious mind, as you think of it, is not aware of these activities, you do not identify with this inner portion of yourselves. You prefer to identify with the part of you who watches television or cooks or works- the part you think knows what it is doing but this seemingly unconscious portion of yourself is far more knowledgeable, and upon its smooth functioning your entire physical existence depends.

This portion is conscious, aware, alert. It is you “the physical”, so focussed in physical reality, who do not listen to it’s voice, who do not understand that it is the great psychological strength from which your physically orientated self springs. This inner portion of you sifts all information from all dimensions and unbelievable inner activities take place before you can so much as lift a finger, flicker an eyelid,  read this sentence upon the page or before a word is spoken.

You must understand that there are no real divisions to the self , however, so we speak of various portions only to make the basic idea clear.

You cannot understand yourselves, and you cannot accept my independent existence, until you rid yourself of the notion that personality is a “here and now” attribute of consciousness.

The self that you know is but one fragment of your entire identity. Like the various skins of an onion or segments of an orange, all connected through the one vitality and growing out into various realities while springing from the same source.

For convenience’s sake, you close out the multitudinous inner communications that leap between the tiniest parts of your flesh, yet even as physical creatures you are to some extent a portion of other consciousnesses’.  There are no limitations to the self. There are no limitations to its potentials. You can adopt artificial limitations through your own ignorance however. You can deny, but you cannot change, the facts. The personality is multi-dimensional, even though many people hide their heads, figuratively speaking, in the sand of three dimensional existence and pretend there is nothing more. In this book I hope to pull some heads out of the sand.

Now listening to me recite paragraphs from the Seth books although thought provoking is a little bit dry.  Now following the death of our son in 1994 I became intensely interested in the nature of consciousness after I had several paranormal experiences which convinced me that my son in some form continued to exist. Reading of other experiences is all very well but having the experience yourself validates your conviction. For three years we helped an English medium to develop into a first class materialisation medium, with adults and children materialising in the room and voices of deceased personages coming out of the air. We have been involved with many trance circles in the UK most of which were of poor quality. However , for a period of approximately 3 years, 2010,11 and 12 here in Sydney we sat to develop a local mental medium and she subsequently developed into a first class trance medium. The group of minds that spoke through her ( I must tell you minds of this nature invariably refer to the medium as the vehicle or the instrument) were able to converse with a knowledge and insight, in my opinion, approaching that of Seth. They did not wish to dictate a book but we plied them with questions on all manner of subjects and particularly I asked questions covered by Seth in order both to test the knowledge of the communicators and validate Seth’s opinions.

I have been a medium myself for some 15 years and probably due to the number of hours I have spent in séances conversing with non physical intelligences my clairaudience in certain states of mind has become quite strong. I sometimes come awake in the early hours and “listen” to such as the following, which often appears to be a simplified version of more intricate realities.

(Power Point 9)                  Entangled Minds.

Once upon a time, a thought arose, where it came from no-one knows. Minds saw this thought and liked the idea behind the thought. The thought was about having a certain life in the physical. Many more minds liked the idea of this life in the physical and joined the thought, until there were many, many minds and their thoughts linked together, united in their decision to experience that projected life.

They sorted out a mother and a father and it began. The child was born and was named Joe Public. As Joe’s life progressed other minds were attracted as they saw the events that were planned for this life, and they wanted to be part of it, wanted to experience this life, and as it went along many minds came, and many minds left, having experienced the event that they wished to experience. So, the conglomeration of minds known as  Joe, went along, forever adding and losing minds, but always known as Joe and all those minds that had ever been Joe, ever been a part of Joe, always had the memory of the experience of being Joe. So Joe was a part of many minds and many minds were a part of Joe and so it went on and Joe went on forever, forever changing, forever adding new minds, losing old minds, but was forever Joe, and Joe was forever connected to every other mind that had ever been a part of him. And every other mind who remembered their experience with Joe was always connected to Joe. And so Joe never had a real identity because Joe was a part of the whole of all these minds. And so was every other Joe and every other Joanna. Everything that exists is all a part of everything, a part of the thought world, endless conglomeration of thought, endless gestalts of consciousness.

So, can you see that you are a part of everything, always connected and always yourself, yet forever in the process of becoming – always able to say “I AM”.

David Ingman – received clairaudiently upon waking.

(Power Point 10)

• When you think about the constant exchange of atoms (consciousnesses and minds) between your body and the rest of the material world it is the same thing going on.
• When you think how it is considered that planets, stars and galaxies are formed from gaseous clouds, black holes and white holes etc. is the conglomeration of thought the same process, i.e. it produces our world, the world that we “see”?

It is a simplified explanation of how we as seeming individuals are an individual pattern composed of an ever changing group of conscious minds. This simple story neatly encompasses many of Seth’s statements regarding identity.

Think of a piece of music always recognisable but subject to different arrangements, different instruments, different musicians, different conductors. The composition remains the same but is ever-changing and is always recognisable depending on which minds are interpreting the piece. (remember Joe Public)

(Power Point 11)

• Seth:- So psychological structures form to which names are given. The names are meaningless, but the structures behind them are not. Such psychological structures also retain their identity, their pattern of uniqueness, even while they change constantly, die and are reborn. (See Joe Public)
• The eye rises out of the physical structure. The ego rises out of the structure of the psyche. It cannot see itself. As the eye cannot. Both look outward – in one case away from the physical body, and in the other case away from the inner psyche to the environment.
• The creative body consciousness creates the eye. The creative inner psyche creates the ego. The body forms the eye in the splendid wisdom of its great unconscious knowing. The psyche brings forth the ego that perceives physically. Both the eye and the ego are formations focused toward perception of exterior reality.
• Seth:- The Nature of Personal Reality:- Chapter 1

Now if you refer to the last two paragraphs of the “Living Picture of the World” Seth states – The ego cannot see itself as the eye cannot.

Now this may be hard to accept. You will never find an individual “you” …. you will only ever “see”, “feel”, “imagine” who you are, as you project and observe, the combined interpretation by the multiple consciousnesses that comprise “you” in a particular direction of focus, i.e. at any “moment in time.” The interpretation of how a “particular” pattern is being portrayed results in the personality that you believe you are.

So, if you are content with “who you are” continue to observe and reflect. But, if you wish to change a little or a lot, think of the attributes/ traits etc you would like to exhibit and know that you will attract like minds/thoughts (like attracts like). If you concentrate on portraying these attributes/traits, gradually “who you are” will become “who you desire to be”. You will be able to look back and say “that is who I was” and “this is who I AM”

(Power Point 12)

• There is no such thing as dead matter
• Nothing exists – neither rock, mineral, plant, animal or air – that is not filled with consciousness of its own kind.
• There is no object that was not formed by consciousness.
• You cannot understand what you are unless you understand such matters.
• Seth Speaks:- Page 10

(Power Point 13)

• You are like an actor in a play.
• What you do not realise is that you are acting in many plays at the same time.
• In different centuries, in different dimensions.
• You co-create the script, the props, the setting, the themes.
• You, and every other individual consciousness that takes part.
• You are so focused in your roles however, so entranced that you have forgotten that they are of your own creation.
• Seth Speaks:- Chapter4

You co-create your lives, you co-create your events, you co-create your body and once you realise that the consciousness that is you cannot be destroyed, only continually transformed, you will realise that the only purpose in life is the purpose that you create for yourself.

So we have briefly covered how Seth sees the formation of physical reality and our part in it so now let us look at his statement that we live simultaneous multiple lives in multiple realities or dimensions. Some will interpret this concept as reincarnational lives. Seth states that time is a particular belief we apply to our physical reality. Many physicists agree – there is no such thing as “time” and the majority subscribe to the multiverse and parallel universe theories.  Multiple dimensions by other names.

Chris Johnson, an author of books on Seth, said to me “What we think of as “past lives” or “other lives” ( as there is no time where they exist in the psyche) can influence your “current life’s thinking and beliefs. Importantly, this also applies in “reverse” – what you “resolve” in the way of challenges in this lifetime reverberates across all the lifetimes that contribute to your overall identity.

All exists at all times and each event happens when you focus upon it and what is more you find yourself a part of that reality in what, to you, is the present moment. As you switch focus from one dimension to the other this gives the impression that everything happens simultaneously as you seem to be participating in all of these events at once with no break in sequentiality.

But of course if our minds could work at the speed of today’s computers, and remember that communication between the smallest particles/waves is instantaneous, then experience, comprehension and analysis of multiple areas of interest can be performed in the blink of an eye giving the impression of simultaneity.

There was a recounting of an NDE on Victor Zammit’s website where the person who had the experience states that wherever he looked he seemed to be in a different life and what’s more they were all happening at the same time. As explained by Seth in what he calls “the spacious present”

Now, when I had reached this point I thought the presentation was finished but in the early hours of the next morning I awoke to receive the following:- (some of you may pick up the thread as we go along and arrive at the end before I do.)

(Power Point 14)

Entangled Minds (an expanded version)

Once upon a time a thought arose, where it came from no-one knows. Minds saw this thought and liked the idea behind the thought. The thought was about forming a world composed of light, with many things to see, do and experience.

Seven major gestalts of consciousness decided that they would make the idea reality. They were known as red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violet. They agreed that the group would be known as Roy G. Biv or ROY for short.

ROY began mixing colours (of consciousness) from his infinite palette. When he thought that he had done enough he said, “let there be light,” and there was. (The Big Bang? i.e. when consciousness decided to explicate the Gravityverse. )

Now some of these innumerable compositions of light, gestalt consciousnesses were called people. The people, as they stood in awe and wonder at the world around them, soon realised that ROY was everywhere, and they said, “ROY is omnipresent,” and someone exclaimed, “but that means he must know of all that is and therefore is omniscient.  Such total knowledge must give ROY total power, so he must be omnipotent.”

Roy G. Biv was, is, and will always be, composed of multiple consciousnesses with infinite aspects which when displayed in their infinite variety of composition we label “physical reality”.

Now you will all be familiar with the light spectrum and its range of frequencies.

Now ROY can present all shades of himself depending on what mix of gestalts of consciousness (minds) he chooses to project. All these shades we now refer to as personalities, aspects of minds of different intensities displayed as one.

ROY is, amongst others, also known as Joe and Joanna Public.

Power Point 15  “Light Diagram”

At this point a picture was shown which unfortunately I have not been able to attach. it showed Consciousness, Minds and Diversity of Thought, Identity and Unity of Thought(s), The “Observers”, The Observed, Personalities and how everything is linked.

Now, again I considered the presentation was basically complete, but “someone” was following a different agenda.

The following morning, January 19^th, I woke up as a different personality I spoke with a beautiful cut glass accent, I sang to a compendium of 30’s to 60’s songs for three hours with a vastly improved range, and clarity of tone. I was able to sustain notes for much longer than previously and my breathing pattern was effortless. Of particular surprise was the way my phrasing often times differed from the way I had sung those songs for the past 50 years.

My wife, daughter and son-in-law, thought this personality was wonderful, commented that it seemed to be in love with the world and everything in it, and they sensed a powerful presence. For my part I was serene and relaxed yet felt totally self-assured and had boundless energy. My mind, hard to describe, also felt expanded and somehow I was “larger”. All in all I was ecstatic about the new me.

I recognised that I had been given this experience to underline the basic truth of my lecture. This personality is the ideal that I have always wished to be and probably my long suffering wife’s dream also.

However, being the person I am, that evening I started to analyse what was happening and whilst realising the pros started searching for the cons, and also, what parts of my personality would I lose. I went to sleep thinking of these things.

The next morning I woke up and the old me was back, but the comparison left me in no doubt, I was being given a choice. I could be who I wished to be if I chose to.

The new personality made its appearance at odd occasions during the following weeks. During a particularly pleasant period I “heard” the dry amused comment “perhaps we have reached a happy medium.” The most interesting part of this experience was that “I” was always present as an “observer” – I was “watching” and “hearing” my body expressing itself as a different personality – I was both the “observer” and the “observed”.

I hoped that I would be able to call upon this aspect of myself at will, but unfortunately that has not been the case and it has not made itself known since February. However, “I” have been left with a milder personality and have also realised that speaking with an upper-class accent is unimportant, likewise the much-improved singing. All in all I am more at peace with who I am.

This was the end of the talk and I then invited questions from the audience.

You might find this article interesting:-

https://sputniknews.com/science/201612071048249775-study-plants-learn-conscious-intelligence/

Also Cleve Backster: 2003 book:-

Primary Perception: Biocommunication with Plants, Living Foods and Human Cells and a book based on his work:- “The Secret Life of Plants” 1973

Everything is consciousness expressing itself in different forms for the purposes of creativity and experience.

While David was asleep last night he found himself in a windowless room with no doors, no way out, trapped. The walls were solid and he began to be concerned about getting out. He suddenly realised he was dreaming and once he realised that it was a dream he woke up, the room had disappeared and he was back in his own bed. Can you explain this and its implications, the seeming reality of it?

What you are confident of seeing, in other words you expect to see it, you have a belief in that it is there, then so it shall be, because you create your own reality. The converse is true also. Once you believe it no longer exists, it simply doesn’t exist. It may exist for others if they still believe it exists, but for you, it does not. Now, if you now wish to, let us say, join the club of believers again, you may say to yourself “I know it’s not real, but for the sake of harmony, I’ll go along with it” and so you will have the intention to see it even though you know it’s not real.

Intention or belief creates your reality. Now, your belief may create the reality that you do not necessarily wish to create at that moment and as the thoughts come by, you can, until you relearn, let us say, although you will quickly go back to your previous ways and lose the influence of the physical ,  occasionally get flashes of other realities. It is like when a thought comes to you, you momentarily consider it and then you discard it, you turn away from that thought. Well, that is a momentary creation of a reality and you get used to handling these sorts of things anyway. In other words your thoughts become a picture. Much in the same way as David could see and feel the walls around him until he suddenly applied his reason and logic and realised,  ” this has to be a dream” whereupon, of course, it instantly disappears. So, there is no particular magic in this and you will ask, as David was asking this morning, does this reality (our physical reality) exist simply because I believe it is there?  And so we refer you back to the information already given, and once more we say again, you create your own reality.

Now, when you first are in the womb and then when you become immersed in the outside world, it takes time for your vision, shall we say, or your awareness, to lose its link with the other aspects it has been involved in. There is a certain amount of bleedthrough. But as your attention is attracted, or demanded, by your consciousness of being focussed in the physical world then you tend to focus just on that and gradually it becomes your only reality. This applies to any reality that you focus into for any period of, what you might call, time, any length of intensity, that will become your only reality each time you switch to that reality, (you switch your focus of attention).

Now you must start to think more about what happens when you are asleep. You are totally unaware of the physical reality and yet you are aware of other realities some of which are somewhat vaporous, shall we say, somewhat disjointed, yet others seem quite real. So let us just go back to the flickering thoughts, the flickering realities, the jumping from one to another and yet in some you find them interesting and the dream goes on for quite a while and seems very real indeed. Now when you are in that dream, which seems very real, you are not at all aware of your existence in physical reality, much in the same way as when you are awake in physical reality you are totally unaware that you are, at the same time, dabbling in other realities, because, like any sensible person, you keep your data streams separate.

Now, the big question is “is this reality real”? If you will just read back over what we have just said you will get the answer.

Any reality is real to you if you wish it to be so for the purposes of experience and enjoyment, it is as simple as that.

So what was the idea of David dreaming about being in a totally enclosed space? Was that to give him the feeling that “Oh, this is a dream” in order to get the opportunity to explain it?

There are teachers. Does that give you the answer?

You’re saying yes, it was to explain it to him?

In order that someone has a ‘eureka’ moment they need to find a key to unlock their understanding. Sometimes that key has to be provided.

Yes…..

It enables us to move forward a little more but you need to, as was given today, to put this out there to see whether you can generate some replies, some thoughts of others that may lead us to be able to further expand on the realities that exist and the possibilities of accessing those realities without getting lost in those particular dramas.

Thank you.

Now it is over to you, our readers, to help keep this information coming. We are, at our age, comfortable with our present level of understanding and at peace with our concept of our being and are happy to continue to explore the wonders of this reality until we inevitably find ourselves in another.

We, as you can see from the above, are now having to be prompted to seek further knowledge but we are happy to continue seeking answers for those of you who wish to know more.

David & Jean Ingman

The link below is to an article in which Sir Roger Penrose, Stuart Hamerrof  and contributors from the Max Planck Institute set out the out the case for the survival of consciousness based on quantum information transmission research.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/728897/LIFE-AFTER-DEATH-consciousness-continue-SOUL/amp

I would like to be able to download your books on my computer. I thank you for the ability to do this and for your work. I am so sorry that your son is not physically still here, but I feel your material is so important and such a gift to others. Thank you for sharing this so freely to help others understand better loss and their grief. Many, many blessings to you. Jody

Ingolf from Germany wrote:-

Today I have become a follower of your website. I have been interested in the afterlife since early childhood. ( Now I am a retired teacher.)I have read hundreds of books dealing with spiritual topics.
But your ideas about life after death are the best and I can resonate
with the models of the spirit world you present on your website.
I would like to thank you from all of my heart.

Yours Ingolf from Germany

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Karl Riley posted a thought on ““Death” and Afterlife Conditions” on

February 5, 2016 at 11:28 pm Edit

Best description of “afterlife” reality I have read (hundreds). All this should be in book form.

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Terry Burgoyne posted a thought on “How Consciousness forms the Reality we perceive” on

February 6, 2016 at 6:35 pm Edit

My first comment after view the rather original structure of this website is that I find it so intriguing that I know I am going to visit it frequently and I hope to be able to exchange views and experiences with other users. I still have to get used to the flow of things here and as soon as I get the hang of it I shall do my part in in it. I am looking forward to some interesting contacts here. Best wishes!

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Tosca Zraikat commented on New Posts, Weekly Notes and Observations

on February 9th 2016

In your introduction session, you are told: “When reading this material you must think to yourself “does this insult my reason or does it fit in, make sense, is it understandable, is it acceptable even though it may be in opposition to something I previously believed. Can I now look at this and say “I can accept that, that makes sense, equally or more than that which I previously held to be true”.”

Excellent advice, advice that is also given by the Buddha, who said to not accept any of his teachings just because it came from him, and by Jesus, who blamed the priests of his day for holding themselves up as repositories of truth, instead of encouraging people to look within.

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Anora Posted a thought on “Conversation with our son, Steven” on

January 30, 2016 at 10:28 pm Edit

Thank you so much for sharing this, I am so pleased you like my self are able to have your Son Steve Communicate through you, it’s well worth reading.

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Karl R wrote to Victor Zammit:-

I have been reading the transmissions coming through David Ingman, and am amazed at the degree of detail describing consciousness at levels that usually cannot be described; i.e., the Astral and Causal level (everything needs a name). They do it through analogy, since direct physical words are not available.

It is like this info comes from the penthouse, whereas the valiant scientists are working hard in the basement trying to crack the egg of past scientific assumptions which are suddenly seen as archaic. Trying to “prove”, whereas from the penthouse the view is fantastic and beautiful. Both are necessary, but I prefer the view!
Gratefully, Karl R.

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Conversation with our son Steven and other family members.      30th Jan.2016

“Death is simply a shedding of the physical body like the butterfly shedding its cocoon. It is a transition to a higher state of consciousness where you continue to perceive, to understand, to laugh and be able to grow”.       Elizabeth Kubler-Ross

Is there anything from any of our relatives that can be brought through tonight?

If they wish to communicate they will, so we have ”Hi mum” straightaway.

Hi Steve

“So interesting watching you, quite amusing really cos from this side it’s so obvious. It is like wandering from room to room looking in, switching on lights, deciding that this bit looks correct, another bit looks good and another bit, they don’t quite match, why don’t they match? Will I really be here or won’t I really be here? But I can be here anytime I wish and I will be here, what you call there and you come here. There is no coming or going. There’s only being and I’m being as you are being and we are talking, we are communicating and you are feeling. I know you are feeling and I know Dad is feeling. Dad can see me smiling.

I can sense you smiling Steve. As you are talking to us what are you doing in everyday terms?

In everyday terms we have a wide circle of friends, connections, communications. I keep in touch with everybody that I have known on your side of things and others that I now know I know. There are many things to be involved in, many forms of creativity, many forms of enjoyment. I must admit that I find forms of enjoyment more interesting than forms of creativity or discovery. Music, music, music is an area of great joy because music can be experienced just as well here as it can where you are. An animal, loving an animal is much more apparent, if you wish it to be, here, than is generally expressed from the literature about this side.

I wish I was back sometimes because I would love to, when I watch you dancing I would love to be there dancing with you. We never got to dance together but I am a good dancer, I would love to.. maybe we would be able to do this in some other place and time.

We already are, not maybe we will, we already are, on another level. How do you think things are for Hayley and Michelle in all aspects?

I am interested, they are both quite happy. Inside they still wonder themselves where they are going and what the future holds but doesn’t everybody. As of the present time and all time is the present they are quite happy within themselves. They are quite happy with their present and their anticipated future, so they are not living in fear, they are living in the joy of an… the joy of the future but neither focus too much on the future. They focus on the present and near future only.

Do you consider that a good or a bad thing?

There is no point in focusing too far ahead because coming back to what was said by dad or dad’s communicators we don’t know which way the intensities will take us. We don’t know from this side either, we only know that certain directions, that at the present time, like the stock markets you can extrapolate. Sometimes the extrapolation happens, other times things are a complete reversal or a minor change.

Thank you for the help you have been giving me. Appreciate it.

Proud of you mum. Who would have thought a little person like you… none of us knew you had that determination. That determination to win! You have never been a person that needed to win, so to see you out there enjoying the winning and being proud of yourself and certain of your own accomplishments is lovely to watch. It makes me very happy indeed. I know it makes dad proud as well as I am sure Hayley and Michelle feel exactly the same way. Mum’s always been doing things for others and now she’s finding the person that she can be if she wishes to be.

I still feel the need to do things for others.

Of course, it’s your nature. Giving you a big hug mum.

Thanks Steve and a big one back.

So what do you think of Emma?

Uh huh, Dad getting in the way here. (amused) She’s an adorable little person….Dad getting in way…too close.

Any advice on anything Steve?

Be happy and to be happy do things that make you happy. Don’t do things that don’t make you happy. It’s as simple as that. Because if you’re happy you will spread happiness but if you’re not happy you won’t be able to spread happiness therefore by making yourself happy you’ll make other people happy and can you think of anything better than that?

No,  not at all.

But you have to do things that make yourself happy and not feel that you have to make others happy at your expense because that means you’re not happy. Others will know that even though it may not be obvious, because everything is connected.

When we talk about everything being connected and we also talk about “all that is”, most of the religions in their own way are talking about the same thing even if they call it god aren’t they?

I’ll duck out of this and let Dad’s people take over.

All that is, is, all that was and all that will be. Because in your terms it’s all there ever was and so when you are part of something vastly larger than yourself you develop a belief in what you are. We come back to the ocean again. If you are a still lagoon in a hot climate and you know the ocean stretches out beyond the lagoon you will formulate an idea, a belief, in what the totality is. Now if you imagine that you are part of an ice field in Antarctica that is touching the ocean, can you imagine what belief you would generate there? Go from there to an area of stormy seas, like Cape Horn. If you take all these imagined conditions, then one would formulate the idea of a god that is warm, calm and benign, the god of Cape Horn might be violent, vengeful, destructive, whereas the god of Antarctica might be cold, distant and impersonal. Can you see how different gods all arise from the different viewpoints, from the different intensities of the consciousnesses that have formed their own realities in the first place? So from those realities that they have formed, due to beliefs, due to ideas, due to intensities of interest, they then, from the restricted consciousness, form an idea of what they feel the totality, of which they are a part or from which they came depending on belief, is.

All religions consider that there is a god. They develop a belief in a god of a certain nature depending on the beliefs that they have come to hold due to the nature of their environment and the life circumstances they are experiencing. Look at the origin of these beliefs and where they came from and why they arose in that fashion.

I’ll talk to Steve again. Steve, one of Dad’s relatives passed over a few weeks ago and I just wondered if you have had any contact since they passed over.

All the sisters, all Dad’s aunts, all met her and there was a, as is with everybody here, a great welcome and joy on all sides. It’s lovely always, to be reunited because you have the full awareness whereas from where we are we know that you do not have the awareness. You don’t feel us all the time. So when we, as you might say, come face to face there is full awareness once more and therefore the joy of reunion is the same as it would be when you are alive.

Dave speaking: Into my mind came a poem, “I’ve looked at life that way.” (Sings a bit and laughs) “It’s life’s illusions, I recall. I really don’t know life at all.” We need to get the words to that. That is somebody that knows. “I’ve looked at life from both sides now.” That’s the words.

Steve back: There’s plenty to enjoy oneself with here and of course I know most of what dad is finding out and so there is no need. Why look for other states of being when you are enjoying your own state of being? Stay in your own state of being until it stops being satisfactory. If that means you enjoy music, dancing, laughter, fun, repartee, humour then does that sound something that is not enjoyable? Of course not. Why do you seek purpose? When you have had what most would call a blissful state of being?

I actually, Steve, I am not really seeking purpose at all, it is just thinking up a good question.

I wasn’t asking, referring to you mum, I was referring to the general concept. In which case we’ll say, “Why would one want to think they needed purpose when you’re in a state of being of ever present happiness. Ever available areas of enjoyment that you didn’t tire of. Life is one long party if you wish it to be and why not enjoy the party, until you find you need, I wouldn’t say need, however the word arises somehow, that you wish to turn your attention elsewhere at least for a part of the time. Make no mistake, “I have a life that I am thoroughly enjoying.” If you remember back to, I feel it was Jackie and Ken’s daughter as well as Bob’s wife, who saw or felt a party going on of which I was a part in both their houses, within a short time, we say short time, months, years, of when I moved over. Many of the other lads were and are part of the same grouping. The same applies now, some have moved on, others have joined and most of those who come over in the same circumstances as my own tend to be satisfied to hang out and party until their loved ones come over to join them.

Sounds good Steve.

Can you think of a more reasonable thing to do?

No, certainly not. If you are the sort of person that likes parties then great. That’s the thing to do isn’t it?

When I say party, party is all encompassing, it is areas of enjoyment, singing together, dancing together, talking together, going for walks together, admiring beauty together.

Interacting.

Interacting but with enjoyable, about enjoyable things. No need for mind wrestling and conjecture. Just enjoying, enjoying the state of being, the word party is the wrong word, is not the same as a physical party. It is being part of enjoyment. A party to happiness, party meaning being a part of a state of happiness.

Do you see any of the rest of the family very much?

Just as we did on earth we pop in and out. How’s it going? We each have our own circle of friends as we did on the earth plane. We also know others when we return to consciousness and we find others of the same inclination as well. So, you would not expect me to hang out for long periods of time with nan and grandad would you? But you would also expect me to join with them whenever you and dad and Michelle and Hayley figure in our thoughts and at certain times. Because we always know here any time we wish to look, as if it’s a Facebook if you wish, where all your details are there for all to see. So you can just look in, the other party knows you are looking in for knowledge but you only exchange detailed, you would call it, conversation, thoughts, should there be a common element. Otherwise it is just a warm greeting, an expression of love. There is no need to ask, “How are you getting on?” Because you would see.

Are you able to drop by Nick’s?

What do you think? Yes, I am obviously with Nick. I can wonder what would have progressed if I hadn’t been, let us say, expelled from the body.

It is good to still be part of our whole family. We are connected souls, if you wish the word, but we will be, we are of the same frame of reference to keep continuity of the verbal description. Got to go now because we are getting a little too deep, I feel myself being drawn back into, it is probably….. I’d rather stay at another elevation. No offence but you can…..

Love you Steve.

Love you mum.

Dad loves you as well.

I know that, have always known that.

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Now, when Steve spoke to David after he had died and he said, “You are over the worst, I can go now.” Where was he going?

If he had said, “I can switch to another channel, I can alter my focus now.” How would that have been received? As we have spoken before, all communication must be in the language of the times, that means, the language that is understandable to the recipient in that particular time. That can be to a solitary person, it can be to the masses but you can only speak in language which is acceptable. The same way as you talked about creating an image, then an image was created in words and an image carries meaning, so when you see Jesus it’s meaning, when you hear words, it’s meaning but is it couched in such a way that the meaning is understandable. Now, if Steven came back now he would be speaking in the way that we are speaking because he is aware that David will be capable of understanding. But at the time, the opportunity may have been missed, if the right words delivered in the right tone at the right time had not been spoken. The decision was made to say it in this way, say these words and that would spark a quest and you were provided. Now, so when he said, “I can go now,” look at the interpretations there, means I can leave my focus on the physical, I have been protecting, we might say, holding you up, keeping you going, where as you were unaware that I was there, what you were aware of at the time was your head being pulled up always to look at the light, although they are only street lights. At the time it had a little meaning but not much, but now, after all these years, you can see what the intent was, you can understand straight away, look for the light, but at the time you would have dismissed that as some uh, just it would not have entered the fog of despair, it would not have been acceptable. Do you understand?

So ‘going’ just means I can now turn my attention elsewhere, I can now look at the world, the state of being, I now find myself in, because I am here, I am no longer there. Therefore, I now have to sort out what the environment here has to offer me and what new habits I need to adopt.

The answers are worthy because you need to roll all these things around in your own mind before the point becomes clear. If we answer in one trite sentence you will simply replace one shallow belief with another one. But if you wish to build a strong structure to which you can then hang much other information upon you need to have strength of conviction because structure needs strength, conviction. Strength and conviction only come when you have explored all the reasonableness, the pros and cons of the argument and come to the conclusion, this I can believe!

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 Let us see if anybody wishes to speak to you.

The name Heather is coming in and of course the instrument is embellishing that with thoughts.

Hello Heather.

Who would have thought it? I had no idea. I think I have been asked to speak simply because I am not connected apart from a tenuous link with David and therefore it is easier for the words to be put through without a form of self-examination in order to persuade oneself that this is not a fabrication of the instrument itself.

We listened in when Steven spoke to you. He gave you a fairly good idea of how things are here. You will understand that without the responsibilities of keeping the physical body together then once the realisation dawns what would you expect us to do but get together, relax, chat, reminisce, have a look in, have a look round, go and see this, go and see that, do some gardening. Can you imagine what Stan is up to, what he can create in his garden? Look at all the others and think “what would they be doing? Your Mum and Dad, would they be enjoying their dancing again? Would there be a dance club formed over here, or over there, because there are here’s and there’s everywhere even though they are in the same space.

Now I haven’t given you very much evidence of myself but I can tell you that I am now completely fit and well and well pleased to be out of the physical body. It was nice to team up with George again, it was quite a good life in our own way and we don’t have any regrets. The children are still bowling along. We don’t see any particular worries there but you must remember that we don’t worry so much over here. Our only worries are the feelings that we pick up from you. We don’t have those worries because, as has been said so many times, you are here all the time. The physical instrument is there but we can get together with the consciousness that is operating the physical instrument, which is the entity operating the “I”, which are one and the same thing and say “well, how’s it going” and “what’s going on “ and “let’s have a look”.

We are in that same “semi-detached” position that everybody else is once they are here. You can focus in to the situation of your children, but if you focus in too deep then you will feel the feelings because when you focus in too closely your own vibration is starting to mirror back that which you remember from when you were in the same place. It is like sound, imagine not being able to hear the sound and just seeing the motion and then as you zoom in with your microphone suddenly the voices become loud and clear. So then you focus upon those voices and then you focus upon the meaning and then you focus upon the judgements and the opinions and before you know it you are reliving the physical plane. And so once more your anchor has to pull you back out and say “look, you’re no longer there”. You breathe a sigh of relief and say, ”phew, yes, it’s not really real is it?”

Now have I made something a little clearer for you?

Thank you.

Voice changes to a more quiet, measured and serious tone.

Now I don’t come through often but I do watch

Thank you for coming through

And do you know who is speaking? I don’t think possibly you have ever heard from me because I let your mother do the talking

Dad? Is that you Dad?

What do you think?

Welcome Dad nice to hear from you.

I’m proud of you too. Mind you, I’ve had good reason to be proud of you ever since you were born (tears running down David’s face)

Thank you

And your mother and I are still together, still doing the same things. Why change when you are enjoying doing what you enjoy doing? When most people come over they are well pleased to have put aside the trouble and strife that one endures while in the body. Things are so much easier, things are so much lighter. There is nothing to get angry about that you don’t wish to. There is no need to look back at what is going on because it is going to go on regardless. It is just a never ending game.

We seem to have switched to clairvoyance. I’m seeing the white moustache, I’m starting to get pictures. Something about burning the mat or the mac, maybe this is from my memory, I remember him burning the mac but I don’t know anything about a mat. There are all flashbacks coming in. I don’t know whether I am being given the flashbacks or I’m reaching back in my memory for the flashbacks. It’s very difficult to sort out when you know so much about someone. He is saying that he still has pangs of regret about driving over Scamp. He knows it is all over but it is one of the things where he wishes he had taken a bit of time and not done it. I’m seeing him in army uniform, skinny as a rake. He’s showing me wearing a hat to work and smoking. He can only give me the pictures as best he can. It’s probably hard for him to think what does Dave know and what doesn’t he know?

He is saying that although he didn’t take an awful lot of interest in the grandchildren when he was here he likes popping in and having a look to see what is happening. Elsie is popping in all the time so he tags along on the viewing and some things are of interest. He never would have dreamt that we/he would have been involved in something like this but you live and you learn. He’s very glad as well that he has found this out.

Voice changes again, Dad speaking once more?

The world changes so fast that you find it’s not easy to give advice because you have no experience, apart from general human behaviour, of the world that exists today. It’s something you only look at like a film, so it’s no use coming through constantly with messages, which takes a bit of hard work anyway. It is easier to let those who want to, do it. Much like your husband lets you keep in contact with everybody and doesn’t bother with it himself, because he can leave that all to you. So, please excuse me that I haven’t come through but I know that your mother has been through to you many, many times and this is just to let you know that I am standing there with her when she comes through and my thoughts go with hers, and so I don’t know how many times, and probably not very many, I’ve said this to you when I was with you, but I do love you very much.

Love you too, Dad         (tears rolling down Dave’s face again)

Dave back: Someone’s said, “Well that’s a turn up”. Got to be your blooming uncle, George was an extrovert, when he needed to be. He was obviously there and just had to crack a joke at the end of that, probably because it got a bit heavy. Now all these tears, I haven’t got that emotion for your Dad so this must be his emotion for you. Tears have run down both my cheeks so I have picked up the emotional feeling.

Someone else. Does this mean anything “my legs are a lot better? They’re now perfect.” Well obviously. Who had the bad legs then?

Eve.

Ah, we got Eve the other night didn’t we? She is saying, vehemently, “I’m glad to be out of that place”. There is obviously a family call going on here, there must be a number of them tuning in. Molly is saying hello.

Session interrupted.

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Conversation  with our son Steven who passed in 1994…….. 7th Jan 2019

Thanks for that personal advice. Is there anything else?

Life is good both for you and for me and for all of us. No matter where you are there are things that take your interest and so all the time an idea catches your eye, takes your fancy, even if it is a small thing or a day to day occurrence just like making the chocolates. They didn’t have to be made but there was the enthusiasm “Yes, let’s make those because they are enjoyable”. Same thing with the raspberry cake. There are things all the time that are enjoyable. Now you must parallel that with what’s happening here, we do the same sort of thing. We look and see what so and so is doing and “I’ll go over and see what’s happening there and join in with that”. So you go over, obviously that just means looking, focusing in.

Activities, as you can imagine are not greatly different to those in the physical when you first leave the physical. You tend to mix with those on a certain level who, because they enjoyed it in the physical, then go back to enjoying it in the non-physical. Because they now have the feeling, the memory, the experience, of what it is like to be on the stage in that particular activity and although you can now enjoy the activity again you know that you are creating the props and everything else whereas in the physical you were not aware of that. That doesn’t mean to say that you can’t enjoy it just as well.

Now when you put your CD on you are creating the music. The act of putting the CD on, you create the music that you enjoy. You are not actively producing the music, what is the difference? The only difference is that here you can actually produce the notes you wish to hear, but why do that when somebody else can produce the notes even better than you can? They understand the ins and outs of music and therefore they can produce sounds that you wouldn’t even think of producing because most of the sounds that you produce come from memory and are the product of other minds that composed that particular piece of music. So you will still listen to others, but there again you may challenge your own capability to think up the variations on a piece of music.

Just as you allow yourself to move to the music on the dance floor then you, if you try to understand how notes fit together, can vary the tunes that you whistle or sing and the notes that go there. This is an area that requires just as much practise where we are as it does where you are. You have to understand music and how it fits together.

Life is continuous and when you move from one to the other you hardly notice the difference and when it comes to understanding that then of course there will be this “Well, why stay here, why not go”? On the other hand, you think to yourself “I’d rather stick around for this, I’d rather stick around for that”. But of course it is no good saying “Let’s start speaking and let’s get the majority to say what is going to happen”, because you are the majority, you are part of the whole. The majority thought is your thought. Don’t think that you are separate from the majority because most of the time you are agreeing wholeheartedly with the majority. You are not a single person outside. When you think, the thoughts are being produced by the majority. You cannot set yourself apart and still be part of it, you are either with it or you are not with it at all. As we have said before you may feel that when something is not going to work out that well it is of course easy to say, from the point of view of trying to explain, that you are taking a decision that you are not really comfortable with but once more that is still the majority. The majority is taking the decision that it is not very comfortable with otherwise you wouldn’t be experiencing the feelings of the majority.

It is very difficult for us to put over to you that you are only experiencing the majority because whichever way we look at it, while you are in the physical you still think of yourself as a singular and it is extremely difficult to see yourself as a [product of a] multiple.

So when we are explaining things, if we keep coming back and say to you “this is all you are at the moment” then we have taken away your sense of “I” completely and yet that is not true because you are living all these “I”s and you are still yourself but as we have stressed before, you cannot stand outside yourself. So you just say, in the end, “This is how I feel, this is what I want to do, this is a life or activity that I wish to join at the present time” and you just let it carry on.

“Mum”?…   Hi.

How are you Steve?

Always, always, always happy. Always good, no problems, no challenges, avoid the challenges, as I said before, just have a good time. No need to ask how I am because there is no doubt. Are you enjoying yourself, are you happy and the answer will come back “Well of course I am”, because what is there to be unhappy about? No problems, do whatever you like. Contact, be with, look in, see what is going on and yes maybe “I wonder what is going to happen there”? You can see to a certain degree what is happening in the immediate future but you are also, again it is sooo difficult for anyone to explain to you that you are all together all the time. How difficult it is for me to say that you are here anyway, mm? Yes. Because you feel the sense of separation, but I don’t feel the sense of separation so what have I got to be unhappy about? Yes.

People I have loved in this particular life are with me anyway and we are doing one or two other things but once more I am not aware that I am doing those until I focus in them even though I do know that I am doing several things because I know other people and I know that if I know them and that I have feelings towards them that we are both focussed into some other activity. Therefore that is where we retain the feelings of connection from. As you can imagine, “I know you from somewhere, where I don’t know I’ve forgotten”. Mm? Yes. I know that face, I remember that voice. It is a long time ago maybe but there’s no time, but it’s a long distance ago if you take frequency and the lives of different frequency.

So, once more, nothing to be unhappy about. Perfectly happy.

You have just had all your advice for living and as far as I can tell you from here your particular little soap opera is going to go on for quite a while yet. There will be the usual ups and downs along the road but there is no ending in sight at the moment and so we haven’t got any party preparations going on. And it’s a question we are all highly interested in what’s still happening. It may seem mundane to you but even watching the changes in the weather is different if we care to look in.

It’s a… it’s a show! Mm? Yes. We don’t have to deal with things we don’t want to deal with here and so to pop in and see how you are contending with things you have no, or you think you have no control over, then it’s nice to just view these things now and again. No different to you viewing on the television, we view in much the same manner.

So you have been viewing what’s been going on in the family?

Of course and elsewhere and other things. Whatever took our interest when we were in the physical, you still retain an interest if it floats by. Especially if you had thoughts as to how it should be or you found certain aspects of the physical quite exhilarating, amazing, awesome then it is quite interesting to see. Volcanoes going off for example are still something that are still “well look at this”. Mm? Yes. You get an email or a message on your phone, whatever, a small video and you look at it in passing and then you discard it. Yes? For the memory. Well we are the same here. The ideas, it’s not just ideas; the ideas, the events, the happenings are all over and when one resonates you take a look, but that’s all.

So how would you decide whether to have a physical life if you didn’t know what is was about at all? You wouldn’t just say “Ah, I’ll just jump in over there” because the idea wouldn’t have grabbed you. You had to have a feeling about the idea in the first place? Yes. And the feeling had to come from either prior experience or from something where you absorbed all the multitudinous aspects of the proposed life and say “that was overall a pretty good feeling, yes, I’ll do that”. Another one would be “ooh, that wasn’t a very good feeling, I’ll think I’ll give that one a miss”. But it comes not as a detailed review and a weighing up but just an overall feeling because you can see everything that is going to happen in a blur, let us say, all coming to you at once, not sequential, it all comes to you at once like taking in a large jigsaw. Instead of being able to look at each little bit and piece you get the general impression. Yes? Uh huh. So, “that’s a nice picture, or, there is something about that picture that jars”. That is more what it is like so this is why you will take a life that overall has a pretty good feeling because the overall intensity, the overall resonance fit with you. Whereas there are one or two bits in there that were pretty nasty but they simply didn’t have the volume, shall we say, to detract from the sound as a whole. There is a discordant note here and there, but in terms of the overall production it was let go.

So anyway, my turn to be able to put over some, you might say, knowledge and I’m in a good position to do that now of course and so quite happy at times to sort of sit in on Dad’s chats because I can add bits in here and there. Like we did things together in the physical we can still do things from this end together as well.

You’ve got no need to worry about “Tine” either. “Tine” is in decent condition and she will look back on her life at the end of it all and say, “well it may not have been everybody’s cup of tea but I basically pleased myself, I had very little to worry about and although there were times when I would have liked a bit more companionship on the other hand there were no downsides. There was only some, let us put it, elevated moments and some flat moments. There were no moments of plumbing the depths except for when I went over. But overall she will look back and say “that was quite a pleasant life, it didn’t cause me terrific amounts of angst and anxiety”. Of course that was what was chosen in the first place any way.

As for me, well, as has been told to you, someone has to go sometimes to shape the whole thing up so that routes are followed which wouldn’t have been followed if these things hadn’t happened. The play has to be organised in such a way that others, you might say, craftily engineered the events so that the outcome is to their satisfaction. You can say that we acquiesced to all these things and your books will mark the passage of time.

“Chucky” is having a happy life. She has got her child and that is something she has treasured above all else and she is living her life to the maximum love experience, you might say, rather than the material experience and in many ways if you look at it then all of us didn’t have much in the way of material ambition and yet you, Dad, were driven from an early age to remove yourself from the living with restricted means and be able to do what you wanted to do. To do that you had to get yourself into certain positions and the money was necessary. But we didn’t have to drive ourselves for money and we were able to turn ourselves to looking at other aspects. Once more we come back to the fact that this is what is chosen. Now just as “Tine” is able to do roughly what she wants to do, eschew certain relationships so that she doesn’t have the downside then you must say the same thing with “Chucky”. Chucky” is not bothering to match her peers in terms of houses and cars and I am sure you would agree that she is leading the life that she enjoys and she is doing what she wants to do, she is not doing what doesn’t give her pleasure. Would you agree?

Yes I would agree.

And so what is wrong with that? Then, hard for dad to understand but there you go, and it’s one of those things that are part of what you might say the learning experience and when you have been of a certain motivation then it is hard to see the lack of motivation in others because you think that motivation should be there and you can’t understand that there is no need to be motivated in that fashion. If you are motivated to sit under a palm tree all day and just nod off and just eat when you need to eat and then socialise when you need to socialise, then how would you feel [about] that, as a life wasted or a life chosen? You talk about retreating into bliss, bliss is whatever you care to think of as suiting you.

That’s right.

Bliss can be just feeling the warmth of the sun and letting yourself relax, forgetting the bodily feelings, not worrying about this needs doing, or that needs doing and letting go. That is difficult to do if you surround yourself with an environment that requires constant maintenance for you to keep it in the manner in which it gives you pleasure. Mm?

Yes.

So once more the bliss must…. still difficult to explain because you have joined… you are part of a consciousness grouping that is highly motivated. Mm?

Yes.

And so it is hard to…  in fact all the time you wish to stay with it you are part of that highly motivated group. The only way to leave it will be to leave it. Mm?

Yes.

Change focus and so you just have to say to yourself, well yep, I am in this bus and this bus is driven at quite a pace. Mm? I see that other bus over there and it is stopping here and stopping there and admiring the view and having a convivial time whereas this bus is still rushing from place to place. Unfortunately, you can’t change buses. Mm?

Yes.

You can’t be in both buses at once. So to leave your present bus you have got to get off and ask to join the other bus and then of course you will lose all contact with the bus you have just got off. Yes?

Yes.

And so all those that are in the original bus will then miss you and so that is a pretty good parallel for what this is all about.

Love you.

Love you Steve, lovely talking to you.